two dragons. From the book Searching for Ropens and Finding God (third edition) we read about sightings of strange nocturnal flying creatures: That report prepared me for an email I received years later, early in 2012, about two men who had seen two huge flying creatures about twenty-five miles to the south, over San Diego [California]. The eyewitness was again Sandra Paradise; here is part ofher account, in her own words: Iwas driving the same road, had just passed the point of my second sighting. At first I thought it was a vulture. There have been many modern-day sightings of creatures that by eyewitness description sound like pterosaurs, or pterodactyl sightings. Most paleontologists will tell you that the Pterosaur (including the Pterodactylus and pteranodon. . None of us had a clear view of the ropen, at least not clear enough to see any details of form or features. From Garth (at the same meeting in 2007) Big flying creature in that area; Has a big head crest; Long tail has a diamond-shaped flange . Anyway, Im driving behind a man who is driving a mini-van . Why is it seen almost everywhere? [Pterodactyl Sightings Flying Creatures NOT extinct]. The dragon pterodactyl surprised the lady, to put it mildly, as she gazed at the huge winged creature that sat perched on the telephone cable over the storm canal at the back of the backyard. . Over the years, many people questioned the authenticity of both the photograph and the creature (Pteranodon). This has a different format than the other videos that I uploaded to my Youtube channel Protect Animal Life, although its a common style on Youtube. As we were watching this strange bird, it let out a ghastly loud shrieking scream . In 2005, Garth Guessman, another ropen investigator, in Montana video-taped his own interview with Hodgkinson and the session was analyzed by Whitcomb, who became even more convinced the World War II veteran was telling the truth: The man had seen a ropen. The following are just a few of the hundreds of Youtube videos, on the channel Protect Animal Life, about modern living pterosaurs: Why do people around the world report seeing a long-tailed pterodactyl? 8 min ago. . These four sighting reports of modern pterosaurs in California have perhaps never before been featured in a Youtube video. In 1925, a native man was allegedly attacked by a creature that he identified as a pterosaur. The sighting by Wooten was at about 3:00 p.m. between Greenville and Florence, South Carolina. Here are a few details: New dinosaur book for LDS and other faiths. Sometimes an eyewitness will remain quiet about seeing a live "pterodactyl" until he or she learns that a friend or member of the family has also seen such a flying creature. . About 1600 feet from the San Gabriel River channelthat was where the large creature was flying in Pico Rivera. Yesterday, so the 13th of May 2013. Jonathan Whitcomb introduces excerpts from a number of Youtube videos about modern pterosaur sightings. Old Photograph of Pteranodon During Civil War, 2. . Granted, a mile from any storm channel or stream bed in Los Angeles County (see Sherman Oaks above) takes in a lot of area; but five of the above eight sightings were well under half a mile, and the Lakewood sighting was of an apparent ropen almost directly above a channel. Sometimes an eyewitness will remain quiet about seeing a live pterodactyl until he or she learns that a friend or member of the family has also seen such a flying creature. . [Introduction to Los Angeles Herald article] The Fresno sportsman now goes gunning for pterodactyls. It flew right in front of my car seemingly almost fell out of the trees trying to gather wind under its huge wings. Not one of those sightings was very far from a storm channel or stream bed. Report it safely and privately here:https://www.livepterosaur.com/LP_Blog/contact-WhitcombRead the terms and conditions (legal):https://protect-animal-life.com/terms-and-conditions/ Pterodactyls have been reported in many areas of North America, including Minnesota. Alone in the car, driving northbound I can only describe . Over the past eighteen years, many press releases have been published about encounters that people have have with apparent living pterosaurs. . They navigate by them and find food in them. . The Girl who saw a Flying Dinosaur is a nonfiction book, but its not technically about dinosaurs: Its a short cryptozoology book about apparent living pterosaurs. My principal Youtube channel for videos about modern living pterosaurs is Protect Animal Life. I hit the brakes, pulled over hard and sat there with the camera Id been carrying with me for months saying, where ARE you??? The pterosaur was in perfect silhouette, wings outstretched, distinctive head in full view, pad on the tail. All of a sudden I see the HUGE bird looking thing fly across the overpass I was on, maybe 20-25 feet in front of my car . . . . In general, a fossil expert will fight against the possibility of a modern pterosaur until an eventual admission emerges: [admitting] there is a small chance that a species may have survived into the present. it turned around and it stood still in the air, it was flapping its wings while it was there. Many of the apparent living pterosaurs are much larger than any bat; Many have long tails; many have head crests. There are a lot of trees. . . . I was [shocked] by the head crest and the wings. I know of a very few books written about living dinosaurs and living pterosaurs, but The Girl who saw a Flying Dinosaur is different: only about apparent non-extinct pterosaurs that have been seen by people in the 20th and 21st centuries. Here are some more modern accounts: While other reports of pterosaur-like creatures have come out of Arizona, Mexico and Crete, it is out of central Africa that some of the most interesting anecdotes have come. What Happened at Lake Elizabeth, California? pterodactyls. The [apparent living pterosaur] seen flying over the I-540 in Raleigh, in March of 2013, appeared to have a wingspan of five to six feet, much smaller than the one in Idaho. Thunderbird is a term in cryptozoology for describing large, bird-like creatures; generally identified as legendary creature . I was fishing on the western side near the South fork. Fossil records suggest that Gigantopithecus blacki reached the size of 3 meters (9.8 ft), and weighed up to 540 kilograms (1,200 . 3 different sighting reports involving huge Thunderbird and Pterodactyl / Pterosaur creatures in Colorado, Texas and Mississippi "In 2008, on the southeast corner of north Table Mountain in Golden, Colorado, I witnessed a large flying Thunderbird riding the lead edge of a thunderstorm that was coming out of Clear Creek Canyon. ThatsdumbDoit 2 yr. ago. I suggest there are limited exceptions to the rule that ropens use storm channels and stream beds to fly along at night. Lake Isabella in California pterodactyl or ropen sighting near here. The men who live along the swales and sand hollows east and southeast of Selma on the evening of July 13th heard strange sounds in the air just after dark, like the rushing of wings when some large bird passes swiftly through the air overhead. I feel blessed that God has allowed me to see this creature that should not be here, and yet is, this strange dragon-like thing that lives somewhere in the woods in this redneck little town., Dragon Pterodactyl Living in California. Take that in context: Over the past thirteen years, Ive looked at hundreds of eyewitness sighting reports of possible living pterosaurs. . . The wingspan was the length of the water trough, six feet, and it was at least four foot tall.. Some think that tales of the "mythical" dragons in the lore of many cultures around the would be attributed to the sighting of pterosaurs. In this video of the PAL channel (Protect Animal Life) get the testimony of the World War II veteran Duane Hodgkinson and two natives in Papua New Guinea. \"Worldwide Ropens - Pterodactyls Almost Everywhere\" https://youtu.be/ghhICIhjW44(length = 4:28)A number of eyewitnesses are mentioned, including Duane Hodgkinson, Candace Worman, and Jonathan ArcherDescription:The large nocturnal long-tailed featherless flying creature called \"ropen\"that apparent pterodactyl is observed worldwide, in many nations of the earth. Ebay: None YouTube (Old): None. Im almost positive whatI saw fly over the freeway in Los Angeles WAS NOT a bird of any kind. The popular, textbook declaration that all species became extinct millions, of years ago, universal pterosaur extinctionthat concept, itself is approaching extinction. Jonathan Whitcomb. How does that relate to this video? . Both eyewitnesses are young adult females, and both passed a brief credibility check; misidentifications also appear unlikely. Pterodactyl with a Pee said: . Not until January of 2018, apparently, did newspapers like The News and Observer or the news outlet Charlotte Stories report sightings of apparent flying dinosaurs in North Carolina and specifically in Raleigh. The most recent sighting had been just fifteen days earlier, between Griffith Park and Glendale. This is a Youtube channel trailer video for Protect Animal Life, with brief excerpts from seven living-pterosaur videos, out of about 170 total videos on this channel, almost all of which relate to pterodactyl sightings . This occurred near a swamp in Rhodesia where the man suffered a large wound in his chest that he said was caused by the monster's long beak. A girl saw a pterodactyl [a nonfiction cryptozoology book] Some of the benefits for the young reader: . Scott T. Norman (1964-2008) was a dedicated cryptozoology researcher who had traveled to Africa and South America to investigate mystery animals. Stories of flying reptiles have been recorded for many hundreds of years. My sighting took place last night, 12/19/2016. (Por Jonathan Whitcomb, un experto en pterosaurios vivos), Pterosaur sighting while driving in Raleigh, North Carolina. . . . These are dragons who lived in the carboniferous age, but who forgot to get petrified . . What a surprise awaits you at the end of this video! After the encounter, the man estimated its wingspan was between 30 feet and 50 feet, probably closer to 50. Special effects or the return of a Pterosaur? I looked back at the road and witnessed the man swerve off the road and flip his van into [a field next to the road]. As of mid-2022, this channel (Protect Animal Life) has well over 200 active videos on these amazing featherless flying creatures, and the following are just a sampling three videos: Pterodactyl Sightings flying creatures around the world. Slack and his buddy searched the sky for the Andromeda Nebula. A: I did see its head crest [yes] If only a few thousands of Americans had encounters, I would not have so many persons sending me sighting reports. . Website sfrfg.com reports extensive research on the apparent Pterosaur photograph. In 1992, a number of Pterodactyl sightings were reported in Brazil, one that nearly collided with a commuter plane. I would think of myself as someone who knows a little something of the animal kingdom. They have been reported in Raleigh, Durham, Asheville, Wilmington, and in other areas of N.C., as well as in Virginia, South Carolina, Georgia, and in many other states Amateur footage appears to capture extinct reptile flying over Ohio. Its because ropens are nocturnal and rare but spread across the planet, and on occasion some fly in daylight. Reportedly, some people from the middle of the 20th century saw the first, original photograph; long before digital Photoshop/image processing was generally available. . . I drew level to the place they crossed . spent a night watching the sky . Modesto California Likes: +2,142. Eyewitnesses see modern pterosaurs around the world, actually, but this is mostly about two ropen sightings in western Minnesota in the summer of 2018, by a young man (Jonathan Archer) . . That didnt strike me as right so I asked her if she was sure and she said they werent lights exactly, but that the wings had a glow or reflection. . charcoal gray/teal undertone skin. Most of them have been in the United States. . But after publishing many web pages about living pterosaurs in Papua New Guinea, I received emails and phone calls from eyewitnesses: sightings in California, Texas, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland-Virginia border, Pennsylvania, New York, Rhode Island, Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin, Kansas, and Washington State. Its almost always while one or more eyewitnesses are outside. With many photos, this is an online map of what is probably the oldest modern-pterosaur site ever published: Pterosaurs Still Living. Two sightings have been reported from the same backyard in the city of Lakewood, California. . Fourteen years ago, in [Socorro], N.M., me and a close friend, who now has a masters in biology, were hiking during the midday sun at [a] box canyon and something blocked the sun for a moment. [One of the sightings in this video was in Altadena, California, in the late 1960's, close to Pasadena; another sighting was in Irvine, California]. I just want to report a sighting of a pterodactyl-looking animal. . . Those numbers fit well with the following three factors: If many more persons had significant sightings, like many millions of Americans, these flying creatures would have been discovered before now and I would be swamped by eyewitness reports. I saw this large dark colored flying animal. Pterosaur Sightings in South Carolina The four reports from S.C.: Bishopville, 1984: wingspan about 10-14 feet; no feathers; standing in the middle of a country road, it appeared to be at least 10 feet tall. . a 38-year-old woman saw what she at first called a dragon pteradactal. The featherless winged creature was sitting on a telephone cable above her backyard, on June 19, 2012 . Some of the other eyewitnesses were watching the stars at night or just enjoying a beautiful outdoor scene. Two pterosaursightings in Los Angeles, in 2013, have caused a stir, being ten weeks apart and the second one being just a mile and a half south of the first one. Apparent relationship to a Rhamphorhynchoid pterosaur, By the living-pterosaur investigator Jonathan Whitcomb. For sighting #1, in the words of an eyewitness, \"It turned its head and looked right at me\".From Jonathan Whitcomb, executive director for 'Animal Discovery': \"I highly recommend the following Youtube playlist, especially if you are new to this channel\": \"Live Pterodactyl - Ropen Global uploads\" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc-RuKvZviU\u0026list=PLbrGHtcHOcPxEMnQuhURGFL_7EugMDKZVTry watching the following additional mini-documentaries on this channel: \"Flying Dinosaurs in Kansas - Pterodactyl Sightings\" https://youtu.be/lkANkrWI2yk(length = 2:26)Sightings of modern pterosaurs in KansasDescription:According to the cryptozoologist Jonathan Whitcomb, many persons have seen an apparent living pterosaur in Kansas, yet only a small minority of those eyewitnesses have contacted him. \"Modern Dragon - Pterodactyls Almost Everywhere\" https://youtu.be/wUShxkJZVFs(length = 3:06)A brief introduction to pterodactyl sightings worldwideDescription:The long-tailed nocturnal ropen is found worldwide, and some eyewitnesses call it a dragon. ### . Did not notice if it had a tail or not Some of the publications listed are these: On the verge of the most astonishing discovery in the history of biology . described the ropen-like creature: about 30 feet long, with a straight tail 15-16 feet long. . I feel like I could not have been the only one to see [it]that day. What is it? . A nonfiction-cryptozoology author has analyzed reports of non-extinct pterosaurs, commonly called pterodactyls or flying dinosaurs, and found how sightings relate to thirty-three states (and Washington, Patty Carsons sketch of the ropen she saw. Ropen Sighting Near University of California at Irvine In the summer of 2007, a man was driving northwest on Campus Road, from the direction of the state university in Irvine, when he saw a gigantic flying creature pass in front of his car, at low elevation. I have never read about living pterosaurs nor have I heard of any others reporting of their sightings. . On the night of July 11 . For sighting #1, in the words of an eyewitness, "It turned its head and looked right at me". . Number of witnesses: 1. . Enjoy this lively music video as you learn about the shocking flying creatures men and women have encountered in California. Yes, it is true: We really do have at least a few species of modern pterosaurs still flying overhead. I know of three cases in which a person has seen a frigatebird [a large bird of tropical areas], or a photo or video of that kind of oceanic bird, and thought it was a living pterosaur (or at least he put forward the idea that it was a non-extinct pterosaur). Why a pterodactyl sighting should be reported, The Van Meter Visitor and the Gun Shots. I see the man looking out of his window which made me look up. . The pterodactyl was as long as a bus, as it flew up into the mountains above Altadena. Pterodactyl Sightings in California These four sighting reports of modern pterosaurs in California have perhaps never before been featured in a Youtube video. Ebay: None YouTube (Old): . . . The creature had thick black, leathery skin, a beak full of sharp teeth, long talons for feet, and membrane-like wings that spanned 10 feet, 7 inches, by their measure. Several paranormal researchers claim to recall seeing that photo, but don't know where, and the photo has not been seen since. . Lets consider what the eyewitnesses say,in their ownwords. Except for its size, this flying creature resembles the ropen seen flying into the San Joaquin Wildlife Sanctuary in Orange County, California, in 2007. [On another night two men] were surprised to hear a strange, strangling noise in the deep swale under the bridge. Pterodactyl eyewitness reports on Youtube. . Modesto California Likes: +2,039. Most of us only know it as a a large flying animal that lived long ago when dinosaurs were alive. . [deleted] 2 yr. ago. 3. From the back cover of this nonfiction cryptozoology book: Americans, for years, have reported obvious living pterosaurs, with sightings in Washington state, California, New Mexico, Texas, Ohio, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Rhode Island, Maine, New York, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Virginia, Kansas, Indiana, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Missouri. . A lady reported observing a huge dragon pteradactal that had been perched, at about noon on June 19, 2012, on a phone line or cable company wire over her backyard. Garth Guessman also lectured on living pterosaurs (2007, in California). Presence or absence of feathers: No feathers Here's the report from October 10, 2017 (anon. It was about half a mile from the stream bed above Eaton Canyon Park. They appeared light in colorwhite, gray or light green. The Western dogma of universal pterosaur extinction is on its way out, soon to become extinct itself. . The natives, who were occasionally tormented by these creatures, described them as being featherless with smooth skin, having a beak full of teeth and a wingspan of between four and seven feet. . A few days ago (early in May of 2019), I uploaded a video to the Youtube channel Protect Animal Life. It was in upstate New York and no one believes me. [Comment made, around February of 2017, on an online post: Dinosaur Sightings: Are Dinosaurs Still Alive Today in Africa?], Other Pterodactyl Encounters While Driving. it didnt look like a bird . Los Angeles River near the Colorado Street Bridge, east of Griffith Park, Pterosaur Sightings East of Griffith Park, May 13, 2013, Sighting of a Pterosaur Rather than delve into speculations about fossils, lets now consider eyewitness testimonies. . The story is not taken seriously by many researchers today, but it corresponds loosely with a story about a Thunderbird that was allegedly shot in the same area in 1886 and dragged into town to be photographed. The point is this: pterosaurs still living. ), a flying reptile of the Mesozoic era, has been extinct for over 60 million years; however, several recent sightings may suggest these large "flying" reptiles are still alive. Yes they do live in Hawaii. I was stunned from the entire experience . Pterodactyl sightings in the USA. many similarities exist with these flying creatures that are seen by eyewitnesses across many areas of the planet. Name: Darrell Ashley. small creatures, generally resembling small male humans who appear when people open doors without knocking, causing hallucinations of various acts to appear in the victims head. It was featherless; its head had a crest that slanted backwards and a very elongated head, very creepy. Just before noon, on June 19, 2012, in her backyard in Lakewood, California,[the anonymous lady]clearly saw, at a close distance, what impressed her as a dragon-pterodactyl. It had no feathers but the tail she estimated at about six feet long. The American World War II veteran Duane Hodgkinson reporting seeing a huge pterodactyl in a jungle clearing in New Guinea in 1944. It was Fox TV/Universal Studio prop used to promote a Television series called FreakyLinks, produced by Haxan Films at the beginning of the 21st century. Of the 41 sightings reported in California, 7 are featured in the new Youtube video "Giant Pterodactyl in California." Most of the encounters in the video were in Southern California. Rather than begin by listing my four cryptozoology books, lets look at what you would like as a reader or at the needs and interests of the reader for which you would give a book as a gift. Fossils of the creatures have been uncovered in China, India, and Vietnam. Apparently this is a genuine photo of a modern pterosaur, what some call the Civil War pterodactyl photo, although it was actually recorded AFTER the American Civil War. . The landscape photograph on the cover shows the San Joaquin Wildlife Sanctuary in Irvine, California, near where a pterosaur (ropen) was reported flying in 2007 Patty Carson saw the strange flying creature at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba around 1965 and sketched it more recently. . . . In both cases, the "dragon" (or "pterodactyl") was near a storm channel. Observed in full daylight the place whereI was parked was the far back entry of a very small airport (and yes,I am very sure it was no planeI saw). A teenaged girl told my sister, who was also a high school student at the time, about her encounter with a gigantic pterodactyl. That deserves looking into. Laura Dean, who encountered a huge flying creature in Central Arkansas in the spring of 2012. . Old Photograph of Pteranodon Taken During Civil War, Old Photograph of Pteranodon Taken During Civil War: Fact Check. . Early in 2013, a musician reported a close encounter with a pterodactyl that flew in front of his car while he was driving on a highway in Raleigh, North Carolina, at sundown. Not a reissue or rerelease . . So how can those few critics be omnipotent? Long live modern pterosaurs! . Playing Badminton Alone With the Wind, Video: Fact DMart 20th Anniversary Celebration Free Gifts: Scam. . I saw three dragons flying over the 5-North freeway between Griffith Park and Glendale. That man was a scientist. . . . Here are a few of them . At the same time a cry was heard, resembling that of a swan, though enough different to make it plain it was not a swan . Original Civil War Pterosaur Photograph. Sighting in California, S.F. Where does that lead? Looking ahead and up a hill,I saw a flock of crows cross the road, from right to left, followed byyep, you guessed it. The huge flying creature, seen by a couple taking a walk, was about a mile from the storm channel that leads to Hansen Dam in the San Fernando Valley. Long before getting this report early in 2018, I had concluded that at least some modern pterosaurs in the United States navigate by following stream beds or storm channels. . Yes, some scientists believe that a limited number of species of pterosaurs have survived into modern times. Several more have been reported from Texas and here is an interview with Scott Norman about his Pterodactyl sighting in California State. However, none are appreciably different or more compelling . Tim Dinsdale (1924-1987), Loch Ness Monster researcher [6] Jonathan Downes (b. If only a few thousands of Americans had encounters, I we would not see so many reports that included references to other eyewitnesses who also had sightings. Home; Products. In the United States, we have been taught since early childhood that all such creatures became extinct many millions of years ago. It begins with late-20th century ropen expeditions in Papua New Guinea and then shows the two expeditions of the year 2004, led by the American explorers Jonathan Whitcomb, David Woetzel, and Garth Guessman. The sky was clear and only a few clouds crossed the sky. Those two encounters, however, were in different years and with different eyewitnesses. There are a lot of trees. The driver of the car, in clear daylight, saw the huge ropen fly not far above the road in front of him, about half a mile from San Diego Creek, at the San Joaquin Wildlife Sanctuary. My roommate saw one at night in the summer in Peterborough, Ontario Canada, I think in 2016. "Trust one eyewitness of a plane crash over the imaginations of a hundred professors who've agreed how that kind of plane should fly. There was traffic and we were all going about 30 mph. . . The report that two strange dragons with wings have recently appeared in the swamps east of Selma was at first regarded by many as a sen- sational story without foundation in fact, but after different persons at different places had claimed to have seen the strange creatures it began to be thought worth investigating. . They have been reported in Raleigh, Durham, Asheville, Wilmington, and in other areas of N.C., as well as in Virginia, South Carolina, Georgia, and in many other states, By living-pterosaur investigator Jonathan Whitcomb. . The eyewitness was shocked to see that the creature had both a head crest (common in Pterodactyloids) and a long tail with a diamond tip (common in Rhamphorhynchoids). Date of sighting: Summer of 1968. The following is part of the mans email report to me . But the details in the descriptions, not the labels chosen by eyewitnesses, determine how likely it is that a person has observed a live pterosaur. Texas and California are the states in the U.S. where some have occurred. Buy your own copy of this living-pterosaur book on Amazon or from some other online book seller, or buy one or more to give as gifts for Christmas or for birthdays. he saw something like a Pteranodon, with bat-like wings but a wingspan of about 8-10 feet and a head that he estimated was four feet long.. News releases on pterodactyls . pterodactyls. . A Non-Extinct Pterodactylhttps://youtu.be/SA7mVJyl1Vk Pterodactyl Sightings - flying creatures around the worldhttps://youtu.be/C6dwYLGVi34 Terodactyl Attacks Three Men - Dangerous Pterodactylhttps://youtu.be/p12qJyLlxlI Pterodactyl Sightings in North Americahttps://youtu.be/MYfbnSHR0OM Get important facts on the ropen of the southwest Pacific:https://youtu.be/-XtT0qwaTZ0 Become a part of this community; it's FREE:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcFASF8Mhlow-SKJQsgoQ8Q?sub_confirmation=1 Have you, or someone you know, seen a living pterodactyl? Three of my neighbors also did. Ive communicated with only a few paleontologists over the past eleven years of my investigation. Theres been wide skepticism about authenticity of the picture, but as explained below, the photograph is real, although the object/creature seen in it is not known well. The two huge flying creatures were about 1200 feet from the nearest creek bed, as two men observed them in San Diego at 8:00 p.m., in the fall of 2011. We each draw our own conclusions about these amazing flying creatures, yet we agree on many things. In case of both the photographs, some people suggested the creature could be a Thunderbird mentioning some such sightings. . (The third edition, only in print format, was published in 2011. . . A pond in the wildlife sanctuary near the sighting area (2007), Many Living Pterosaur Sightings in the United States. . Whitcomb (2014) relates additional sightings of supposed pterosaurs in other countries, including England, Spain, Netherlands, Mexico, and Canada. . . We stared at the creature in disbelief because it was so strange . If pterosaurs really died out with the dinosaurs and their fossil remains were not first discovered until 1784, then a depiction of one could not possibly exist in an ancient rock carving. when he saw me he jumped off the telephone wires and when he opened his huge wings they sounded like heavy fabric . Music video: living pterosaurs in California. Only two feet awaythats how close the creature was (horizontally)to the concrete wall of the channel. We now consider the third sighting (perhaps not yet covered anywhere else). This is more obvious in some of the many reports from Southern California, not that a flying creature always needs to be directly over such a structure on the ground, in order to use it for navigation. 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